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Vi hadde en flott tråd med mye god info. om 11. september.Men siden trådstarteren slettet profilen sin, så forsvant også tråden. Her var det synspunkt både for og imot selvsagt. Siden det er mange flere på forumet nå, enn da den andre ble startet, så er her også flere meninger. Jeg selv er av den oppfatning, at bevisene er klare for at det var den amerikanske regjeringen selv som gjennomførte en "false flag" operasjon, for å ha en grunn til å gå inn i Irak.

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Er Steven E Jones dessinformatør? ?

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Her har du to fine artikler som sier klart JA, og som belyser deres påstander:

1) Reynolds & Wood.
2) Andrew Johnson (feb. 2007).

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Jøss for en vattnisse. Hva er meningen med å desinformere noe han debunker..haha... jeg må le

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Ja nå innrømmer de at det 9/11 er løyet rundt..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/911-commission-counsel-government-agree...

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Nanotermitt ble beviselig benyttet.

* Det påvises at støvet fra WTC-kollapsen består av ca. 0,1% grå-røde, magnetiske fragmenter som ikke løses i løsemiddelet butanon. Magnetismen og mangelen på løselighet antyder at fragmentene ikke er maling. Da det ble dannet enorme mengder støv, betyr 0,1% at det må ha eksistert svært store mengder av disse fragmentene i bygningene.

* Det påvises Fe2O3 og Al i fragmentene. Det vises gjennom flere innfallsvinkler at fragmentene brenner med svært høy temperatur når de varmes til ca. 400 grader. Det påvises små kuler av Fe (elementært jern) i produktet.

* Totalt sett vises det med stor nøyaktighet at reaksjonen er 2Al + Fe2O3 -> Al2O3 + 2Fe, som er svært eksoterm (eksplosiv varmeutvikling). Dette belegges svært grundig, gjennom flere ulike tilnærminger, og jeg kan ikke se noen overfladiske feil verken i metodikk eller noe annet.

* Reaksjonen over er identisk med reaksjonen som skjer i sprengstoffet termitt. Det er her snakk om den superavanserte varianten nanotermitt.

Dette er fra Bentham-rapporten :
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/0...
og oversatt på DN's Forum av en ukjent person.

Niels Harrit and 8 other scientists found nano-thermite in the dust from the World Trade Center.




Bush & hans medsvorne står bak etterkrigstidens største planlagte og iverksatte massemord.

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Hvis/når American Airlines tør å holde en pressekonferanse om at de to flyturene aldri skjedde, vil jo det være en sensasjon. Foreløpig kommer nyheten altså bare fra en IP-adresse som kan spores tilbake til AA. Det er ikke nok for å bringe saken videre.

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Siden linken til denne siden ikke virker lenger, legger jeg det ut på denne måten:


American Airlines Exposes Bush's Big Lie: Flight 11 DID NOT FLY on 911!
by Len Hart, The Existentialist Cowboy



American Airlines itself is the source for information that AA Flights 11 (North Tower) and 77 (Pentagon) did not fly on 911. These flights are critical to the the government's crumbling cover up! Without those flights, Bush and his murderous co-conspirators will have to revise the big lie. They will have to concoct yet another cover story from the ground up! A cover up is on the brink of collapse when those guilty of capital crimes and high treason either turn on one another or are forced to revise the lie!If neither flight was in the air as American Airlines itself has so stated, then numerous 'official versions' of the 'official conspiracy theory' are all a pack of malicious lies. That includes almost every statement made by Bush. It is, in my opinion, probable cause to indict Bush and his co-conspirators for the crimes of mass murder and high treason.


WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11. Original entry was:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).
New entry is as follows and it includes the bolded text below:
Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

--Wikipedia

To make the point: the source for these change is American Airlines by making changes to Wikipedia. The 'story' is not Wiki. The story is not about Wiki. The story is about the fact that the evidence that Flights 11 and 77 were not flying on 911 comes from American Airlines itself.
According to a Freedom of Information Act reply from the U.S. Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), the last known pre-9/11 flights for three of the four aircraft involved in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 took place in December, 2000, nine months before the attacks, while no pre-9/11 final flight information was provided for American Airlines flight 77 (N644AA).

However, a discovered searchable online BTS database produces the following search results for three of the four 9/11 aircraft on September 10, 2001:

AA 11 departs San Francisco (SFO): AA 09/10/2001 0198 (flight number) N334AA (tail number) BOS (destination) 22:04 (wheels-off time)

UA 175 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0170 (flight number) N612UA (tail number) BOS (destination) 13:44 (wheels-off time)

UA 93 departs San Francisco (SFO): UA 09/10/2001 0078 (flight number) N591UA (tail number) EWR (destination) 23:15 (wheels-off time)--911 Blogger, UPDATE: U.S. BTS FOIA Records For 9/11 Planes Differ From BTS Online Database [The records were obtained by Adrian Monaghan]

Anyone trying to prove that Flights 77 and 11 were not flying on 911 would have to verify that proposition through authoritative sources that could confirm it. The question is raised: how do we know who made the changes to Wiki? Everyone logged on to the internet does so from an IP address. In this case, the IP is that of American Airlines. It's traceable.

My own WHOIS lookup as well as a Google search of the IP address proves conclusively that it was --indeed --American Airlines itself that made the change. It is American Airlines --by way of Wiki --that has said that neither Flight 11 nor Flight 77 were in the air that day.

Therefore, the Bush theory of 911 is a deliberate lie.
My look up returned the following:
WHOIS - 144.9.8.21
Location: United States [City: Ft. Worth, Texas]
OrgName: American Airlines IncorporatedOrgID: AMERIC-112Address: P.O.Box 619616Address: MD 5308City: DFW AirportStateProv: TXPostalCode: 75261Country: USNetRange: 144.9.0.0 - 144.9.255.255CIDR: 144.9.0.0/16NetName: AANETNetHandle: NET-144-9-0-0-1Parent: NET-144-0-0-0-0NetType: Direct AssignmentNameServer: DNS-P1.SABRE.COMNameServer: DNS-P2.SABRE.COMNameServer: DNS-P3.SABRE.COMNameServer: DNS-P4.SABRE.COMComment:RegDate: 1990-10-31Updated: 2002-06-27RTechHandle: OG60-ARINRTechName: Gelbrich, OrfRTechPhone: +1-817-931-3145RTechEmail: ************@aa.comOrgTechHandle: ZW72-ARINOrgTechName: WARIS, ZISHANOrgTechPhone: +1-817-967-1242OrgTechEmail: ************@aa.com# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2008-06-29 19:10# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.


This is not the first major hole to be discovered. The many lies (many referenced in previous EC articles; see links below) are probable cause to begin a Federal Grand Jury investigation of George W. Bush's role in 911. Bush should be compelled by subpoena and Federal Marshals to testify under oath before an independent Federal Grand Jury. The AA revelations demand it!

Bush lies have the effect of covering up the truth, protecting the guilty and obstructing justice. The lies are an insult to the families of 911 victims, victims who are dishonored by the continuing cover-up! Bush's lies aggravate the crimes of mass murder, terrorism and high treason for which the penalty must surely be death. 911 did not happen as we have been told.

Bushco's 'official conspiracies theory' of 911 is full of holes. Flights 11 and 77 are essential ingredients in the 'official conspiracy theory' of 911. That AA claims that neither 11 or 77 were in the air that day sinks Bush's theory. More importantly, however, it should get him an 'invitation' to appear before a Federal Grand Jury to answers charges that he betrayed his nation and waged war upon the people. Clearly --the official theory is a lie, an intentional cover-up. Cover-ups imply guilt! Otherwise --what is there to cover up? The official 'lie' goes like this:

At 8:20, Flight 11 stopped transmitting its transponder signal, and veered northward and departed dramatically from the westward heading of its planned route. The controllers concluded that the plane had probably been hijacked. 4 5 At 8:24, the following transmission was reportedly received from Flight 11: We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you'll be okay .. we are returning to the airport...Nobody move. Everything will be okay. If you try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet. Nobody move please we are going back to the airport .. don't try to make any stupid moves. 6 Neither of the pilots pressed the distress call button. At 8:28 controllers reportedly watched the plane make a 100-degree turn toward the south. 7 Presumably, Flight 11 continued south along the Hudson River until it reached the World Trade Center, though documentation of this is sparse given the lack of public information.According to NORAD's September 18 timeline, the FAA did not notify NORAD of the signs that Flight 11 was hijacked until 8:40, 25 minutes after the first signs of trouble. 8 --Flight 11, The First Jet Commandeered on September 11th, 911 Research
But --if Flight 11 did not fly that day, it is all a deliberate, criminal lie! If neither Flight 11 or 77 was in the air that day, then nothing in the 'official statements' with regard to the Twin Towers is true. The house of cards collapses.
While it is not good news for Bush, it is consistent with the fact that no wreckage traceable to a 757 was ever found at the Pentagon.
Moreover, photos of an engine rotor appear to depict an engine used in the Global Hawk, a payload carrying missile that was, in fact, flown from the US to Australia completely by remote control. It is certainly a much better candidate for what Rumsfeld called '...the missile that struck this building' than a 757. Here's what you need to know about the Pentagon.
Only minutes after the strike, [see pic above] there is no sign of an airliner at all!!
No wreckage traceable to a 757 was ever recovered.
Only ONE engine rotor (seen in photos) was recovered! This rotor is about one third the diameter of a 757 rotor.
A 757 has two rotors, each of which are nearly three times the size of the SINGLE rotor located at the Pentagon
Engine rotors are made of a Steel/Titanium alloy to withstand high temps inside jet engines.
Flight 77 could not have crashed into the Pentagon
The time has come to consign Bush's official conspiracy theory to the dust bin of history. The theory is not even a good cover story, surviving for as long as it did only because millions of good Americans wanted to believe it. Millions of otherwise good Americans did not wish to believe the very, very worst about an administration that had claimed to represent and defend our interests. Millions of Americans chose to believe that the government was still responsible to us, that the government was still the defender of Democracy as we are always taught in school. Below: a US Global Hawk painted to look like an AA airliner.
Recognizing lies for what they are is a part of the process of growing up! America, it is time to grow up! It is time to confront this heinous pack of lies! It is time to insist that the Obama administration begin a REAL investigation. It is time to insist that a Federal Grand Jury investigate every count of high treason, mass murder and domestic terrorism that was perpetrated upon the people of the US by the Bush administration, collaborators in the Pentagon, K-Street, the Congress and the leadership of the Republican party, Marvin Bush's 'Securacom', Larry Silverstein, General Myers, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and, of course, George W. Bush who was, at the time, the 'Commander-in-Chief' and ultimately responsible for the orders given the US military to 'stand down'.
By Donald Rumsfeld's own admission, he was unaware of any threats to the Pentagon -- the building where he was located during the September 11th attacks -- until an aircraft crashed into the side of it, and he ran out "into the smoke" to see if it might be a "A bomb? I had no idea." (ABC News This Week, Interview 9/16/01).Well, that's a pretty tall tale by any standard. The New York Times reported that by 8:13am, the FAA was aware of the first hijacking out of Boston. The Pentagon explosion, which Donald Rumsfeld claimed he had "no idea," did not occur until approximately 9:37am, nearly an hour and a half later, this after two of the tallest buildings in the world were devastated. Note that a plane hijacked out of Boston can reach Washington D.C. as easily as it can reach New York City. It was widely reported that Pentagon personnel were indeed aware of the threats to their security, and they took security measures on that morning. But not the "Secretary of Defense." Why should the man charged with defending the United States of America concern himself with hijacked aircraft?There is a set of procedures for responding to hijackings. In particular, these procedures were changed on June 1, 2001 while Rumsfeld was in power as our Secretary of Defense, in a document called: "CHAIRMAN OF THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF INSTRUCTION, J-3 CJCSI 3610.01A"

The Global Hawk
The video asks: "Was 911 a Conspiracy?" That is NOT the question. Even Bushco claims that it was a conspiracy, a conspiracy of 19 Arab Hijackers who could not possibly have pulled it off. It is, frankly, a stupid scenario! Without the shock and awe campaign, no one would have believed it. The questions, rather, are which conspiracy and who were the conspirators? It was Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's character Sherlock Holmes who said that when you have eliminated the impossible what remains however improbable MUST be the truth!
http://existentialistcowboy.blogspot.com/2009/06/american-airlines-...

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Se videoen vi la inn her... Nano thermite.. evidence.. men ser ikke bort ifar at de også brukte hologram teknologi sammen med raketter... mest sannsynlig egentlig. det har blitt vist video av dette tidl hvor fly så ut til å gå tvers igjennom og ut på andre siden av bygningene..Berit Ås har snakket om dette.

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Berit Ås er/var medlem av 911 Pressekonferansegruppen, hvis Plattformdokument argumenterer for at spesialbygde krysserraketter (ikke fly) kom inn tvillingtårnene. Steven E. Jones thermite-teori har ingen forklaringsverdi når det gjelder hvordan tvillingtårnene ble pulverisert ovenfra og ned (de kollapset ikke). Hologramteknologi-forklaringen var et forsøk på å forklare fraværet av flyrester, samt de merkelige fake-opptakene av fly som skjærer som kniv i smør gjennom bygningene. Med krysserrakett-forklaringen er det ikke lenger behov for hologramteknologi-forklaringen.

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I see your point R.F :-)))
Håper du har det bra i sommer regnet :-)
God sommer <3
Ine

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Sturla:
Har for min egen del sjekket mye rundt og har endret mitt syn på mange av de teorier som er lansert ettar at jeg sjekket veldig mange mulige teorier og forklaringer, noe som du kan se i innlegget til Mike om Energy Weapon, som er et av mange forslag til hva som skjedde.

Her er også den Offisielle rapporten fra NIST foreligger den og har vært ute en god stund, NIST and the World Trade Center
Du kan laste de ned i PDF fomat så kan du jo gjøre deg opp mening om dette selv;-)

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